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Re: The Exodus, Egyptian Chronology, & The Bible - Part
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What questions? Can you re-ask them? I do not have time to go back through this thread and try to identify them.


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Ahh, thank you


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Pharoah Kel, the information you recieved is a little misleading. Althugh it is true that several of the Pharaoh's who ruled before Djoser were buried under pyramids, the most popular method at that time was the mastaba. Burial chambers were still at the bottom of a shaft, but a mastaba was constructed over the shaft. They became, after a bit of time, very large and complex. Many different "rooms" were in each--however, the "rooms" were mostly dummies filled with rubble. The entire mastaba was considered the home of the spirit of the dead person, with many rooms for the spirit to use.
It wasn't until the 3rd dynasty Pharaoh, Sneferu, that the burial chambers were actually inside the pyramid. Before then, the burial chambers would be found underneath the pyramid.


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Hi again Zampaeda :) After posting the above i got to thinking about what you said. Scriptures indicate that Exodus happened in the New Kingdom. Even while there is no archaeological support for this basis. i asked myself why would scripture point to the New Kingdom when there is no archaeological support. Now some might claim, it exists but the experts are lying about it, covering it up. i don't agree with that assessment.

i am forced again to reconsider the scriptures themselves. It is known that the Qu'ran wasn't written until the late 7th century AD. While the Torah, or Old Testament was codified in the 7th century BC. Once these facts are accepted one can look backwards into time and see that the New Kingdom is the closest period of Egyptian history, basicly untouched by foreign rulers. So to me at least it is understandable that 7th century BC folks would use terms that reached more easily into the New Kingdom, than say the Middle or Old Kingdom's. By the late 7th century when God was reveling the Qu'ran to Mohammed (pbh) i again see no reason why God would not use terms relating to the New Kingdom instead of the older periods even if the these times were the correct times, not the New Kingdom. Why? First off God does not seek to confuse his believers. It would be confusing to his believers if he gave the correct history that had no living memory existing at this late period in time. Second, he didn't smite the writers of the Torah dead for using the New Kingdom. Thirdly God, is more interested in those living without his word, than correcting errors brought about by lapse of time, and history.

Zampaeda, if there was substanical archaeological evidence that Exodus happened in the New Kingdom, i would believe it. But there isn't any. See
The Bible Unearthed, Archaeology's New Vision of Ancient Israel and the Origin of Its Sacred Texts, by Israel Finkelstein and Neil Asher Silberman. It is the foremost book on debunking the myth that Exodus took place in the New Kingdom.

Again you are free to believe what you learn and are taught, but if the greater world disagrees and can provide evidence that it is right and you're wrong. Well, it is still your choice and i wish you the best.


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Sekhmet has stated:
Mastaba's were the tombs of choice for nobles as a rule

In Michael A. Hoffman's book, "Egypt Before The Pharaohs" on pages 267 to 305 he states:
At Abydos, there is an alluvial fan or terrace known locally as the Umm el-Qa'ab (mother of pots) lies the tombs of the first Pharaohs and what some archaeologists believe to be the graves of their immediate prehistoric ancestors...although they became larger and more complex with time, basically they were large open pits dug deep in the ground, around the edges of which were construscted thick mud-brick walls...The (Royal) burial chamber was built in the center, was built of imported timber and roofed by means of wooden planks...the retaining walls were continued upward for a short space and filled with rubble, to create a low, bench-like building or MASTABA."

There were no true pyramids until Senefru, the last Pharaoh of the thrid Dynasty. (Who, incidentally, build at least two, possibly three!) The pyramid shape was born with Djoser's step-pyramid, although, basically, it was just a stack of Mastabas!
I have always understood the pyramid developed from the pit burials, to the mastabas, to the step-pyramid, to the pyramid.


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