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PostPosted: Sun Sep 15, 2002 6:15 pm 
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Im not dissing tut but what did he do that was great yeah we found his body but when i look up stuff on him it only talks about his body being found isnt that stupid u would think that since he ws famouse there would be more


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help me AKHENATEN pretty please please please yea you
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 02, 2002 1:55 am 
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Tha KA is a form of the egyptian spirit, not like we understand the concept of a soul though. There were three parts: the Ka, the Ba and thre Akh (think I spelt that wrong but its something like that!). The ka was made at the same time as the physical body by the God Khnum, who constructed the body and the Ka on his wheel. The Ka continued to 'live' after the death of the mortal body and would return to it once the embalming procedures had been carried out to live on in the next life. It was imperative for the body to be preserved for this to happen. This is why they took all there food and possessions with them. They truly believed they could take it all with them.

Right the four gods, correct me if i'm wrong anyone but there were four godesses who surrounded the canopic shrine and chest of Tut, Isis, Nepthys, Neith and Selkis or Seshat, always get the two mix up. Will check on that. Also the burial chamber shows him being welcome into the next world by Hathor, who was known as the Lady of the West (Which was the land of the dead as far as egyptians were concern) Isis and Annubis. He is also showed being welcome by the goddess Nut who was usually represented on the underside of the sarcophagus protecting the body.


The next question would take far too long and that information can be found in any book on Tut.

Final question, it is speculated that he was murdered. There is eveidence of blows to his skull from a sharp object. His successor was Aye, a commonor and desparate to be Pharaoh. His widow, Ankhesuamun was driven to desperate measures. She wrote to the Hittite King asking him to send one of his sons to wed her. When this happened he was conveniently murdered at the egyptian border. I think by Horemheb who went on to become pharaoh after Aye. He was head of the army and had the power to give that sort of order. Ankhesuamun disapeared soon after her forced marriage to Aye and it is his first wife Tye who appears in his tomb with him. Was Ankhesuamun murdered also. I think so.


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re>>What do you have to do to be Pharaoh?
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 09, 2002 3:58 pm 
[ His successor was Aye, a commonor and desparate to be Pharaoh. His widow, Ankhesuamun was driven to desperate measures.

Wrong, Aye was the Vizier, and since the death of Akhenaten, the effective ruler of Egypt, regent for the child Tutankhamun, who ordered the reinstatement of the Old gods and the return of the capital to Thebes and the most powerful, most widely respected and senior noble at court, a peer (possibly) to Amenhotep III and Grandfather to Tutankhamun's wife, whom he married to take the throne - dying shortly after of old age (I think he was in his 70s). Aye was no evil fool, Akenaten's experiment was bad for Egypt and the country was falling apart - the Nubians and Asians had pushed the borders of Egypt back, corruption was rife (Akenaten never left Aketaten once he moved there) and trade had dried up. (Although to the vast majority of Egyptians - Akenaten's reign was largely unfelt - the Temples may have closed, but people continued to worship the old gods - most added Aten (just in case) as shown by the tomb of Meryneith which shows dedications to Aten, and then to the old gods).

Once Akhenaten was dead and Nefertiti "disappeared", Aye was the only individual at court who had the authority in Egypt to restore the country together and became ruler in all but name; whilst the 8 year old Tutankhamun was allowed to enjoy his childhood in his palaces. However, being the son of the Heretic made the priests of Amun (the third power bloc of the nation) highly suspicious, thus it is probable that they with the generals of the army plotted against Tutankhamun and removed him before he could make any attempts at a return to the horrors of Amarna.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2002 12:47 am 
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NOT WRONG!

Like it or not AY was a commoner with a tenuous link to the royal family through his sister and daughters. This does not make him of royal blood and it was not seemly to boast of a link to the royal family through women. Anyone not of royal blood was considered a commoner.

Look at Tiye. She may have been Great Royal Wife but when Amenhotep III married her, he made it clear that she was a commoner by stating who her mother and FATHER were.

I know Ay was vizier, I know his role and I know what happened after the death of Tutankhamun. I know he had the power and strength to restore order, but he should have done that in support of his King. Which he seemed content to do until Tut decided to take things into his own hands at which point he was murdered.

Ay had no right to the throne. If Tut had live there is the possibility he would have had more heirs with Ankhesenamun or another wife or concubine.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2002 3:25 pm 
Whilst Aye was not of direct royal blood, his position in court was such as to be effective Pharaoh as his power was probably what allowed Akhenaten to indulge his fantasies; one certainly wouldn't have called him a commoner to his face nor in respectable society as he was chosen by the king, thus above a commoner, perhaps had it been in the Old Kingdom the issue of blood relatives would have been more important, but in the New Kingdom men of career and influence were not called commoners. I'm not sure, but I have a feeling he was granted a title something along the lines of King's Brother in Kush, which whilst not royal link - was a sign of great approval by the Pharaoh and carried significant weight.

Ay perhaps didn't have a "right" to take the throne, but he saw what a disaster the Aten project had been to Egypt's empire, economy and social stability, and thus he did what he felt was best for the country (as did the Priests of Amun, the bureaucracy and the military). If Ay had been so unrightful in taking the reigns of power and attempting to bring order back - he would have probably not lasted very long (well his reign would have been even briefer). Aye and the Egyptian court probably feared Tutankhamun, once left to his own devices would begin undoing the stabilising work of the Regency and pushing back towards Atenism. But Aye's reign was legitimate and recognised by the Egyptian establishment, although how they felt about his reign is largely unknown, and as the majority of Egyptians never actually saw the Pharaoh in person, they probably suspected nothing out of the ordinary.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2002 8:05 pm 
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If Aye was an important man he would have had a higher social status than the commoners, but not being royal, he would have been lower than those in the Pharaoh's family, so he would have been a Noble, right?

-Akhenaten-


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 11, 2002 1:15 am 
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Yes a noble. Yes he was a very important man, a very clever man, with a very high position at court. 2nd only to the pharaoh. No you wouldn't have called him a 'commoner' to his face but it doesn't change the facts.

Take a more modern example. The british royal family. The late queen mother, a very regal lady, but she was touted as the first 'commoner' to marry into the british royal family. Now she was of the highest nobility in the land. The daughter of an earl and countess yet she was still classed as a commoner because she was not of royal blood.

But lets stop singing the man's praises shall we! He was, in all likelihood, a murderer. No matter how many good things he did they don't cancel out that.


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Re: help me AKHENATEN pretty please please please yea you
PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2002 9:07 pm 
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where???
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Akhenaten where did u learn all that info??????? its like u know everything!!!!!!!!!!!!!! about everything :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:
2 do with egypt that is


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2003 7:48 am 
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I bet a lot of the information lies in books.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2003 1:04 pm 
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Yeah, LOLZ. I've told a lot about the murder of Tut also. Look up in Search, put my name in one of the blanks, and look up "Tut" or something of that nature. ACK. The same question poppes up every couple days, LOLZ.


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I NEED HELP!! Q;"wut wuz so significant about king tut'
PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2003 7:44 am 
:evil: Q:"wut wuz so significant about king tut's tomb?PLZ HELP!!!!!!!!" :?:


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