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Sorry, but that is really the question of the century. There is really no proof of what really happened and it is very highly debated. Maybe someone else here will answer your question better than I have, but your best bet is just doing a search on King Tut. There is also a book by Bob Brier named I believe The Murder of Tut that spells out very clearly what he believes happened and with his evidence that he believes supoorts it (his therories).
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I know there is no real evidence, but does anybody have a good conviencing educated guess for king tuts death. Please reply ASAP.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 30, 2005 9:58 am 
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if I knew something like that I would publish a book entitled " How I knew how King Tut died before all other experts who are consuming their brains to reach the solution before the rest of the world" :lol: :lol: :lol:


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If it still matters, here is my educated guess on why Tut was murdered with no proof to back my claims.

Tut, a relatively young pharaoh of the time (Ptolemy, I believe conquered Egypt at the age of 13; as the legends go), was surrounded by various advisors, generals, etc., much like a president, prime minister, or king would have today.

One of his advisors felt it unfair that this boy should rule, when he is so unexperienced. The advisor is, after all, bigger, stronger, and might have a cooler looking wig.

Disgruntled, the advisor assassinates Tutankaten, and the advisors rename him Tutankhamen for the sole purpose of making people today annoy me by thinking Tut was named after the ankh, and not renamed after Amen, the god of Thebes.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 30, 2005 3:19 pm 
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Where did you find that about Ptolemy? The ptolemies never invaded Egypt strictly, it was Alexander the Great of Macedonia who invaded Egypt with his General Ptolemy (who was a lot older than thirteen). Until then Egypt was ruled by the Ptolemies continuously (yes people I know other kings sprung up but there wasn't a time without Ptolomaic rule in the North) until the death of Cleopatra.


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Just had a thought, do you mean Ptolemy XIII, Cleopatras eldest brother who instilled Civill War in Egypt and the exile of Cleopatra? Ptolemy XIII would have been about 12/13 at the time of the war so perhaps thats what you mean? He never invaded Egypt though, he stayed there all along and "defended" it from Queen Cleopatra VII Philopater.


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Si-Amun - I just remember reading somewhere that Ptolemy ruled Egypt when he was just 13 years old. I honestly have no idea what credibility the site or book or article had, and truth be told, the fact that there were descendents of Ptolemy actually named Ptolemy is news to me! I'm not a product of education, but merely mindless wandering :)

Neb - you ask why I believe that Tut was murdered before changing his name, restoring the old religeon, shifting power back to Amun(inites ..hehe) and re-re-locating the capital because he was murdered before all of this happened ;)

When I think about this, I try to put myself in Tut's shoes/sandals/what have you. I'm a pretty calm guy; it takes a fair amount of effort to get me rearing. However calm I may be, I will not stand for people changing my life.

Try to imagine yourself as a new pharaoh. You're young, new to the game. You've got to make a name for yourself, right? Well, if you're Tut, how could shifting power back to some unlawful priests that believe the old ways, or by giving up the capital that was just relocated?

Of course Tut was murdered before any of these changes took place. It's just bad politics to do otherwise! Also, (I'm going out on a limb here) I believe the advisors that chose to rename Tut after Amen was a sort of bastardized offering of the highest honor. What would please Amun more than to erase any existence of a pharaoh's name and replace it with a likeness of himself? It's like reforming their identity to create a multiplive, more powerful you!

...I lost myself about half way through that, I think I'm on the right track of my mind though! :wink:


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Hey, I've found the source!
..sort of.

I have a habit of finding interesting tidbits of information on the internet and copying them down in either .txt or .htm format

In any case, here's what I had read:

"The first non-Egyptian Pharaoh was named Ptolemy. He was a greek general and he ruled in 905 bc."

source is all but known. I'd google it.. meh. :?


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you are correct...in a way.. there were actually quite a number of Ptolemies, hence the Ptolemaic period... here is a run down taken from touregypt.net :

Ptolemaic Dynasty
This period is confusing due to all of the co-regencies. Scholars are not always in agreement on the order of reigns and, in some case, the reigns themselves, from Ptolemy VI through Ptolemy XI. In any event, Egypt's authority and wealth was intact until the death of Cleopatra, at which time, Egypt was overpowered by Rome.

Ptolemy I Soter I 323-285
Ptolemy II Philadelphus 282-246
Ptolemy III Euergeter I 246-222
Ptolemy IV Philopator 222-205
Ptolemy V Epiphanes 205-180
Ptolemy VI Philometor 180-164 163-145
Ptolemy VII Neos Philopator 145
Ptolemy VIII Euergetes II 170-163 &
145-116
Cleopatra III & Ptolemy IX Soter II 116-107 &
88-80
Cleopatra III & Ptolemy X Alexander I 107-88
Cleopatra Berenice 81-80
Ptolemy XI Alexander II 80
Ptolemy XII Neos Dionysos 80-58 &
55-51
Berenice IV 58-55
Cleopatra VII & Ptolemy XIII 51-47
Cleopatra & Ptolemy XIV 47-44
Cleopatra VII & Ptolemy XV Cesarion 44-30 BC

Kinda a little more so that you will know who is who:

This period started just after Alexander the Great and the cleopatra that we all know is Cleopatra VII & Ptolemy XIII and XIV were her brothers and were both very young when she married them. Ptolemy XV is her son by Julius Caesar After Cleo's death, Caesar's nephew Octavian than became ruler (he was Roman where as Cleoaptra and the rest were Greeek.
PS sorry about the spelling, I am typing with a smoke in one hand, you should get the jist though.
PPS if you go to www.touregypt.net/kings.htm you can get a full listing of all kings/Pharoahs and you will see that there are quite a number with the same names which makes it very cnfusing, at least to me ;)


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