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Osiris II · **Posted:** Wed May 02, 2007 10:00 am

A friend of mine who went to the recent ARCE conference was telling me about the lectures he had enjoyed. There was one in particular I found quite interesting. It was talking of the "oriental donward tilt" to be seen in Nefertiti's eyes, particularly noticable in the Berlin bust, a trait that seemed to be passed down to later generations. I honestly can say that I never noticed it before it was drawn to my attention, so after reading the article I checked--got an on-line photo of the bust. And sure enough, the inner corner of the eyes is turned down a bit. (even with the one eye missing, the socket is there)
If the mask above is one of her children or even of Tut the relationship is apparent, and if it IS Tut, his parental origins will have to be re-thought! His mother couldn't have been Kiya or Tiye, but must have been Nefertiti.

egyptianscribe · **Posted:** Thu May 03, 2007 11:35 am

Osiris II · **Posted:** Fri May 04, 2007 7:38 am

the_tutness_is_here · **Posted:** Sat Nov 10, 2007 11:59 am

And it begins... :lol:

*Smacks hands together and rubs them*

*Insert evil laugh here*

I believe Kiya to be the mother of both Tut and Smenkhare. Now, I know some folks believe that Smenkhare was Nefertiti-however!-recently they did a special on the National Geographic Channel about finding Kiya's mummy, which was next to Tiye's. They also did a CT scan (as with the other two) on a male skeleton they found...I think in KV55?

Hawass came to the conclusion that the skeleton could be Akhenaten, but then it could be Smenkhare. Yay conflict resolution, but anywho!

Whatever miracle test they could perform, if it turns out to be indeed Kiya and Smenkhare, they COULD-NOT saying they should-do what they did with Thutmosis I and Hatshepsut...DNA testing. From what I saw in that show it worked out well, and Hatshepsut was finally identified.

But I digress-I tend to do that a lot, smack me if I do it again-Akhenaten was never depicted with his father because of his older brother, Thutmose IV. Same with Tut-Smenkhare was heir to the throne, and so there were more reliefs of him than his little brother. (Be it Smenkhare himself or the Smenkhare-Nefertiti concoction, this was still the case).

But I am a firm believer in that Akhenaten had two sons, just as Amenhotep III did, and the older son dies, leaving the youngest son the throne of Egypt when he himself dies.

...I'm beginning to sense a pattern here...does no one else see it!? O_o

tnrees · **Posted:** Mon Nov 12, 2007 5:30 am

To go back to an earlier reply - many heirs were not depicted but why show only daughters and not the son?

Osiris II · **Posted:** Mon Nov 12, 2007 8:43 am

I don't think the reason has ever been explained.
Many peoples in various civilizations have had an attitude very similar, though. It was thought to be bad luck, or to bring the male child's identity to the attention of the gods.

madikata · Joined:Sat Nov 17, 2007 1:22 pm Posts:1

Interesting points. Hello to all of you, I am new to the forum

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tnrees · **Posted:** Fri Nov 23, 2007 5:17 am

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Absorbedwyvern · **Posted:** Thu Feb 04, 2010 6:09 pm

Wow.....
Nobody's been in here for ages!

Sotepenre · **Posted:** Fri Apr 02, 2010 4:10 pm

sitamoon · Joined:Wed Nov 09, 2011 10:30 am Posts:3

Thanks, this is interesting! I agree that there seems to be a strong link between Nefertiti and Tutankhamun. I find also Joann Fletchers idea very interesting, that the younger lady of KV 35 might be Nefertiti herself. The latest DNA testing seems to support that the elder lady, possibly Queen Tiye and the younger lady, also King Tut and the mummy found in KV 55 possibly being Akhenaten himself, are all part of same family. Also the fact that the son or sons of Akhenaten did not appear in the "public eye" is pretty obvious I think, the danger of exposure was surely too great. I would think also that the candidates for the position of future pharao would be prepared for this task by the priesthood and not be part of the family life, therefor not shown together with parents and sisters etc

yelobug · Joined:Sun Nov 27, 2011 10:11 am Posts:1

Wow. I just joined and this is the first thread I've read. AWESOME info :mrgreen:

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sitamoon · Joined:Wed Nov 09, 2011 10:30 am Posts:3

Thanks, I also just joined very recently... Welcome to the Mystery... :?: