You are right!

Well I must say that you seems to get the point kmt_sesh
I dont now how many times I stated the word "KEY RELICS"
not "ALL RELICS" There seems to be alot of secondhand
info here abut Cairo Museum?? you have heard from a friend
or someone else that its so bad... Well those people you are talking
to have no interest in telling you that "Wow it was great" be cause then
the biggest argument for not returning those "KEY RELICS" is gone of cause...

And if you support the Idea abut sending the Obelisks back home?
what is the difference between that and sending the Rosetta Stone
back home. They where acquired the same way and have the same
historian value. The Rosetta Stone is probably the biggest and most
important discovery done ever. It opens the whole world to
understand The Ancient Egypt.
If a country cant claim the right for its history then this world is far
from the freedom some people from special US and Brittan are talking abut.

When it comes to Nefertiti, She is a Icon probably the most famous women
in all history, When I was living in Kina for a time. There they know abut
the beautiful Egyptian Queen. She is so famous among other cultures
and the bust is probably the closest we ever comes to here looks.
She should not be hidden in Berlin for the Germans only, and rich Europeans.
She should be in the Armana room in Cairo with her King
And please take the web tour and see for your self can you
honestly say that its so horrifying??????????????????
Follow this link, take the tour and tell me what you see that is so bad???
Please be patient and let the site load
http://www.queen-nefertiti.com/cairomuseum.html

You can study the Rosetta Stone from a picture as well as the way
you see it in London, Buy a replica and take it home it goes for the same.

Maybe you should spend some money on a firsthand visit to Egypt first
and feel the greatness first before you make judgment on where
this objects belong. If you cant afford the trip then please be a little
more humble in your opinions abut all the people from the region
that cant afford the trip to all your countries. When you assemble
this KEY OBJECTS at one place you can have a knowledge center
for everyone. Of cause the US, Britt's and French want be the leading
once, This would be lead by the Egyptians together with the whole world.

If your school system dont allow you to go to Egypt and study those relics
then its your systems fault and must be changed in your countries.
The world is on instant change and you have to follow up on that
otherwise you will be left behind.
I am probably lucky to live in a country that takes education
seriously, If I am so lucky and get a seat in those classes
then I am guarantee at least 6 month of firsthand study in Egypt.
We dont buy are self a seat in my country, we have to earn it with
good grades from long study. So you dont have to be rich on money
but on knowledge and work hard then you can have your dreams come true....
For the record.. We dont have private University, They are run by the State
and are paid for by the state so everyone should have the same opportunity
to study without to have a rich uncle paying. And it keeps the school free from
politic and private interest

Finally we can all agree on one thing and that is, This is all abut money
nothing else, If there was no money to be earned those relics would be
shipped back to Egypt. But I strongly support the idea abut touring
relics if its possible not just to make money and space but to
show them not only in London, Berlin and so on........

And to my dear friend Si-Amun.....
Please... dont you have anything else to say then "Shut-Up" when your
arguments are drained
You have chosen a name of a King
that supports strongly my ideas abut keeping the Kings and Queens
along with their treasures in Egypt hidden from people like you.....
This gave me a good laugh....
You are probably going to need a full bottle of Gin now to calm down
otherwise we can see on Sky News that a guy self ignited in London to night

(Please take this as a Joke my friend)

Sorry, but I am not taking that as a joke. My arguments have certainly not run out at all, I am just sick and tired of idiotic little men coming onto forums like this and having a political agenda. At least most people are intelligent enough to not make it asd blatant as you have. If you are so truly in love with Egypt then perhaps you should start to talk about the history a little more rather than the political statement that you are trying to make. I am completely calm, so I don't need that bottle of gin actually because I am safe in the knowledge that I am here to what this site is designed for, not to advertising a political agenda that even a foolish idiot could have disguised a bit better.

(take this as a joke my friend, and detect the sarcasm)

I spent a full day and part of another at the Cairo Museum in May of 1990. At that time it was dingy and ill kept, and the antiquities were viewable in ancient and dusty glass cases. Everything pertaining to King Tut was jumbled together on the second floor. From friends who visited later, I heard that, soon after, all this began to change.

One of the inspirations was the (then) new field museum in Luxor, which was (is) very modern in format. There were, at that time, already plans underway to build a new and modern museum for the bulk of the collection in Cairo, with the old museum to be used primarily for Tutankhamen's objects and others of the Amarna period.

I really think that great strides have been made in both attitudes as well as advances in technology and expertise among the Egyptians during the past 15 years. Having said that, with the exception of a couple of key objects which, out of fairness, I think should be returned (and here I agree with Claude II about the Nefertiti bust), either to Egypt or whatever other country they were plundered from (e.g. the Elgin marbles really belong back in Greece), I am not comfortable with the idea of everything being all in one place....keeping in mind the possibility of natural disaster or political/religious upheavals, etc...and I think a sound case can be made for the objects actually being safer by being spread out around the world.

Regards,

Niankhkhnum

Man, I just read this post and couldn't believe all the flaming going on and not even one slap on the hand?
I think it is safe to say that Hawass love's his country as he live's within it; and love's it the best he know's how (within it's confinement's). Confinement's is the key word here.
Egypt is basicially a poor country and what thrive's with wealth see's mostly about self and that is what led to the downfall of Ancient Egypt as we know it. Hawass is part of this system; like Clinton and Bush are a part of America's. Politic's, religion and money, thay all, go hand in hand. Look at the Pope's of Rome and learn of their torture to themselve's and other's during their history. It's has never been the same since Constantine. Who ever said religion and politic's don't mix sure didn't catch any of the recent passing of the Pope (eye witness), conclave, Dan Brown Angel's and Demon's All in all I feel that Egypt should welcome help but is relunctant because of the world situation; can't say that I blame them.
Peace out KTO!
bel

Guys, it was really interesting to read all these post in' 'Arguing with Claude II' topic and I wondered I should share with my opinion with you At first, I'd say for a lot of people, Hawass means the egyptologist of nowadays. He did a lot of digging in different tombs and he was in a lot of TV shows and newspapers so I think all Egypt-fans of the globe knows his name. Yes, I know he is too ambitious sometimes and he likes to get a lot of money, but... oh, guys, who not? I confess I always pick up my head when I heard about him in the news. He is a name, and that won't change, though. Plus, as bel said, Hawass really likes Egypt, and that's a good point So, I think they should bring back to Egypt all the important treasure, jewels, steles, statues and others - there was somewhere a post about Nefertiti's statue in Berlin and the Rosette stone in the British Museum. So I have to say again bel had her/his (sorry...) right: Egypt's a poor country, and the most important mean of subsistence is the tourism. So how can tourist come to Egypt when some of its beautiful things are in other countries? I think all of the important statues, jewels and so on would be bring back to Egypt. Maybe the less important things can be in other countries, but a statue like Nefertiti's - not.

Claude, I hope it was an intelligent post

Bye for now
~Lostris