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how would they know that she had a granddaughter if she they dont even know for sure if she had a daughter?


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Kiya did have a daughter, they're shown together in a few pictures. The girl's name however has been lost. I've seen the Sitre theory too but I don't know where it came from. I've seen sites with pictures of this "Kiya-Tasherit" (as people sometimes call her) but I can't find them at the moment. Here's an example of one of these geneology sites:

http://www.b17.com/family/lwp/ged2html/d0073/I332.html [/i]


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Who is Sitra?
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In Nicolas Grimal's A History of Ancient Egypt, Blackwell Publisher Ltd, (1994) page 245. He has Sitra as being the daughter of a soldier. He spells her name as Satre. When this spelling is used we can see why others rewrite it as Sitra. Sat is Egyptian for daughter, Re is the Sun God; to whom Pharaoh goes to when he is dies. Re is the King of Gods so we can, if using Satre read her name, to be the Daughter of the King of Gods. Akhenaten worshipped Aten-Re as the sun disk. The sundisk that ordinary Egyptians believed that Re towed across the sky during the day in his Divine Boat.
The geneologies that are using Sitra, the daughter of some princess, the granddaughter of Akhenaten and Kiya are playing upon the popularity of Kiya in modern culture. They can not name the princess, or the father, and if Sitra was the granddaughter of Akhenaten and Kiya she might have been a noble. But she was no daughter of the Sun God.

I understand most folks believe that Queen Ankhesenamun died shortly after her so called marriage to her presumed grandfather Ay. I don't. Anymore than i believe that all of the Amarna Princess' died at the time of Akhenaten except for Ankhesenamun. It is just to easy for the scholars, and life is rarely that easy for anyone.

When Tutankhamun died, he left his widow, the daughter of Akhenaten, Nefertiti, granddaughter of Queen Tiye, and of the line that gave Egypt it's first woman Pharaoh. A more noble woman could not have existed. By right of birth, and annoinment as Divine Queen she had the right to have laid claim to being the Daughter of the Sun God.

Ever wonder like the scholars that kill off all of Akhenaten's children. Just how Ay, Horemheb, Ramessess I managed to rule as the Divine Pharaoh none of whom have a drop of royal blood? Oh i know they give us the story well they were all military men. Okay right they wouldn't be the first or the last. But really Horemheb chosed Ramessess I because he had a son, and a grandson! WOW was Egypt so devoid of fathers, sons, and grandfathers in the military? Of course not. When i ask the scholars i get no answer.

Ramesses I marriage to Satre might have done more than his having a son and grandson. I hear folks yelling but she married her grandfather and died not long afterwards. Right

Consider this, as the most powerful woman in Egypt she didn't have to marry anyone that didn't please her. She could have even ruled in her own right. However for some reason after Hatshepsut the 18th Dynasty men didn't seem to want a woman Pharaoh. Near equals on the throne as in Tiye, Nefertiti okay but woman rule? That just distrubed Maat to much and as events were showing Maat was still distrubed in Egypt when Tutankhamun died.

Horemheb was needed in the field against the Hittite enemy that was chewing away at Egypt's northern most borders. Egypt didn't need to lose another Pharaoh and Horemheb was Tutankhamun's chosen successor. With him in the field, Queen Ankhesenamun might have allowed Ay, who as Tutankhamun's Grand Vizier. Would have stood in proxy for him in temple duties many times to assume the titles and duties of Pharaoh not as her husband! But as her grandfather. Just because there is a seal bearing their royal names doesn't mean marriage; it means a co-rule at the most, marriage is assuming things that are not given.

Ramesses I would have been about the same age as Ankhesenamun. His early years of service in the field with Horemheb and her husband Tut might have made him seem not so much a servant as Ay, or Horemheb men of the older generations.

Something, someone held Egypt secure in it's return to the old Gods as Ay interceeded with the Gods, as Horemheb fought Egypt's Hittite enemies aboard, and corrupt officals within Egypt. Who better but Isis incarnated as Ankhesenamun now known as only Satre, wife of a humble soldier, and high palace offical, as loyal to Egypt as anyother woman. She the daughter of the Criminal, barren wife of Tutankhamen, the granddaughter of Amenophis III and his Queen Tiye. She might have wished at times to have been dead but i doubt fate would have been so kind.

If this is considered one might ask. Well, why didn't Ramesses I assume the throne when Ay died after a brief 4 years upon the it? Good question, the answer is another question. Why would Satre, once child Queen married to a child King push her own happy growing family back into the midsts of Royal life? Horus himself had chosed Horemheb to rule he had to rule to restore full Maat. With Maat restored her new family blessed by both Ay and Horemheb might rule Egypt again and blot the horror of her young life away. At the very least they might live.

It is interesting to note that Ay's Queen was his dead wife, and Horemheb's wives were buried in his non-royal Saqqara tomb, infering he ruled mostly without a living Queen like Ay. With Ankhesenamun living quietly as Satre, the lack of a ruling Queen wouldn't have been a problem. She was Queen, and kings had lots of Queens. I liken this to Isis hiding in the rushes bringing up Horus, the true King of Egypt. Isis was still Isis, Ankhesenamun as Satre was still Ankhesenamun, Queen of Egypt, and Seti was her son, and he became the Horus King of Egypt.


Another reason I prefer this theory than the others where everyone dies but the King's men; is the totality of the destruction of the monuments, the city of Akhenaten, his reign, his name. His hereitic attempts ruined his family and Ankhesenamun's future as well. Poor old Horemheb blamed for the murder of Hittite's prince, having to suffer Ay as king instead of himself, off fighting in the northern area protecting Egypt's interests there, suffering putting all right the corruption of Egypt itself, no family to speak of except dead wives,(and one wife that dies in childbirth?) and he takes the time to so destroy the remains of Akhenaten?

Myself, i see the destruction, as the revenage of a woman that bore great hatred towards a belief that so destroyed her life. A woman that wanted to make sure that it would never touch, the ones she had come to love as it had the ones she had buried. Satre, daughter of the Sun King, Akhenaten, and Nefertiti, or Sitra granddaughter of Akhenaten, and a secondary wife the daughter of who?


Until the scholars, can prove me wrong, i know which one i am going with. LOL everyone dies to make life easy for Victorian and modern scholars LOL
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The age of Seti's I at death
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Satre is Ankhesenamun
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