From what I have read the correct statement was that
"The American team, working blind, correctly identified the subject as North African."

The Thutmosids hail from Thebes, which technically is Upper Egypt, but is situated geographically somewhat in the middle of the map.

You should realize that the parent of Tutankhamen are not really known. It is speculated that his parents are Akhenaten and Kiya, but this is by no means certain.

On top of that Kiya is rather mysterious and some think she's a Mitanni Princess. (I'm agnostic on that one)

They are fairly certain that Tiye's mummy has been identified, and here you're just wrong. She is not black. Check out her mummy. There's a link to her mummy on this page:
http://members.tripod.com/anubis4_2000/Bookmarks.htm

Tiye's parents, named Yuya and Tuya, were buried in the King's Valley and again they are not black. Their remains can also be viewed on the above site.

I have to say that I find this whole racial nonsense really tiring and boring. Who cares? There were many great black people in ancient egypt. It just seems that occasionally there were some "north african types" too.

I get the impressions the ancient egyptians would have considered this a weird distinction to make. They just thought they were superior to everyone non-egyptian I don't think they cared greatly about color.
They depicted themselves as reddish brown. Somewhere between the "asiatics" (as they called them) and the Nubians.

Modern Egyptians also find the debate rather strange.
As one said to me recently: Egyptians come in different colors and they get darker as you move south.

Does the skin color of an individual change the greatness of the civilization?

I agree with Merytre-Hatshepsut. If Kiya is Mitanni princess, she comes from Mitanni (as I know, there's a place near today's Iraq) but if not, Kiya is an original Egyptian name.

For the Yuya question, he wasn't black, as you can see on these pictures:
Yuya didn't have the original black things like big mouth, long face...

Yuya



And Tut's grandma, Tiye...



Anyway, as M.H. said, Akhenaten, who is supposed to be Tut's father, comes from the Thutmosid dynasty. And Akhenaten was a pharaoh who liked to appear in statues and paintings as he really look like - but there aren't so much paintings where he looks like black, not?

Anyway, it's an interesting question; I hope this topic will be popular!

I read that somebody thinks that Yuya, Tiy's father, was an "asiatic" as ancient Egyptians said. Infact he had some featuring (especially craniofacial ones) that are "inusual" for a local person. Another proof for this is that he was employed in the royal stables, a work usually given to asiatic people...

Chiara

Akhenaton was clearly 'African' with typical Sudanese features judging from wall reliefs. Many European scholars have gone through great pain explaining that these feautues were "exaggertaed" or evidence of a "deformity" (lol) How can you say Kiya wasn't black, when her portraits are clearly African? I agree that the mummy of Thuya shows him to be Semitic (his mummy was considered 'foreign'), but look at the sculpture above of Tiye? Clearly African. IF Thuya was her father, then her mother must have been a blue black Nubian. Why would the Egyptians consistently portray her as black if she wasn't?

The quote from the American team is below:

"Importantly, the "Caucasoid North African" terminology was that of only the French team. In the words of Susan Antón, a member of the American team, "Our group did not, in fact, find Tut to be a 'Caucasoid North African.' We classified him as African based on many of the [skull's facio-cranial] features...." Antón noted that this was done regardless of the fact that the nasal cavity was relatively narrow, because the metrics were within the range of probability for the Nilotic peoples of the region. With regard to any finding of European origins, Antón further commented that, in light of the cumulative evidence, she "determined the statistical association [with Europeans] was very low and, therefore, based on the nonmetric characters, was not likely to be accurate."

Now I'm not one of those who say Egypt was 100% back, as there has always been a distinction between Upper and Lower Egypt, and the population (especially) in the north was quite mixed. However, I won't just sit her and let people who don't know what they are talking about proclaim that Tut was 'caucasian' and nobody takes them for task when this is obviously not the case.

LOL Yeah like I said. I'll ignore the silly comments

I agree with Osiris and Tutness. Why argue? Who cares?

Just thought I would post my favorite picture of Queen Tiye.
Identified through a lock of hair found in Tut's tomb. Plus cranio-morphological comparison to her mother Lady Tuya.
She must have been a really beautiful lady.
Makes you wish you could talk to her doesn't it? She really must have seen a lot in her lifetime. New palace built in Malkata, her son starts a new religion, founds a whole new city. Married to a man called Amenhotep the Great, who seems to have inspired the later pharaohs like Ramses the Great.

Typical East African features and still with thick matter hair even with years of cortex keratin oxidation. Since you want to play this game, let's take a look at some of Tiye's relatives, shall we:


Let's take a look at her her grandaughter (daughter of Akhenaton and Nefertiti)

http://www.freemaninstitute.com/Gallery ... g_copy.jpg

I guess this is one of the caucasians you speak of it! (LOL). She looks like a Brit!

Here goes another sculpture of Tiye. I guess they really like symbolism back then!

http://www.freemaninstitute.com/Gallery ... g_copy.jpg

What can I say, another relief of her grandaughter!

http://www.freemaninstitute.com/Gallery ... g_copy.jpg

Now honestly, I will stop posting under this topic. But I would like you guys to consider how ridiculous it looks when someone makes posts proclaiming King Tut was white, and nobody has a problem with it. But when someone comes here saying that he was black, which he obviously was, everybody has a problem. Think about it. I didn't even want to stir anything up, but I got attacked for no reason for that one post, when the other person didn't get attacked at all.

Why the double standard? I know why, but can you come to grips with your own preconcieved notions? Probably not, but at least I got you guys to think. There is nothing wrong with healthy debate, but some people here want to attack others who don't share there point of view, and simply remain close minded. Yes, you are the close minded one. Your arrogance is ridiculous.

Anyway, I think the message board is great, and can also be used for healthy debate (and not just about race).