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kmt_sesh · **Posted:** Mon May 16, 2005 5:19 pm

So, tutness, someone stated that ol' Akhenaten founded Heliopolis? :lol:

Goodness, I had no idea that Akhenaten was almost 2000 years old even by the Amarna Period. Now that's longevity!

I'm also a fan of Heliopolis. It was almost certainly founded on temple grounds that are at least predynastic. Too bad the modern suburbs of Cairo cover it up. :cry:

the_tutness_is_here · **Posted:** Mon May 16, 2005 5:34 pm

I also found it halarious, as I'm sure you've read, kmt_sesh!! :lol:

If Akhenaten could live that long, we'd have solved his mystery long ago on the Amarna period and then some, because if he took the time to found 2 cities in that timeframe, then he'd certainly have time to grab a papyrus and write an autobiography!! :lol:

And yes, sadly, Heliopolis is covered up by Cairo and it's polluted suburbs.

And although there are some artifacts from Heliopolis that are in the Cairo museum, it's not the same as seeing the actual city itself. :cry:

Life can be soooo cruel, sometimes!!

But my number one favorite city is Akhetaten, of course, because I'm a fan of the Amarna period!!

kmt_sesh · **Posted:** Mon May 16, 2005 5:45 pm

kmt_sesh · **Posted:** Mon May 16, 2005 5:48 pm

the_tutness_is_here · **Posted:** Mon May 16, 2005 6:04 pm

Actually, kmt_sesh, you made it even FUNNIER by saying that!! :lol:

I heard they were making a movie called "King Tut", which is actually ALL about Akhenaten's life... :shock:

If I find the site that said that, I'll be glad to give it to you!! ^_^ It's a good laugh.

And really--who knew that one of the most famous pharaohs in history was the most hated pharaoh back then. I feel bad for his son, Tut, who ascended the throne after him--he had to run a bitter, Anti-Amarna Egypt.

And, before the CT scans were done on him, they believed he was murdered because of fear that he might have done the same "rash mistakes" that Akhenaten made. Though, he re-introduced the old gods, and they say he was a "Wise, fair judge of the people". I'm quoting this from a library book that I read back in the days of my middle school romping, and I hope I can remember the name of the book soon. ^_^ It was long ago, and I'm graduating high school next week, which shows you how old I am...*Cough!* 18! *Cough!* :lol:

Yes..I feel so young, yet so old... :shock:

....

Hehe..

rich · Joined:Mon May 09, 2005 1:01 pm Posts:71

Bel, That's a very interesting Amenhotep II theory. Kind of a condescending author who makes a lot of assumptions... but a very interesting theory.

rich · Joined:Mon May 09, 2005 1:01 pm Posts:71

kmt_sesh · **Posted:** Tue May 17, 2005 5:44 pm

the_tutness_is_here · **Posted:** Tue May 17, 2005 6:02 pm

Thanks, kmt!! :lol:

It feels great to finally be a legalized adult!! Woohoo!! :wink:

I was also one of those who believed that Tut was assassinated, until the CT scans, and if Tut was famous for "being killed", then I wonder if his fame will dwindle with the public? I doubt it, but hopefully people can stop making his life a big "Murder Mystery" fiasco, because it got old after a while.

Anyway, I also still agree that Tut was indeed a puppet, and too young to actually seize power from himself. It is interesting to note that as he got older, he wanted to run things HIS way. When the theory of Tut's murder was still on people's minds, one was that as he wanted to break free of Ay's and Horemheb's control, they figured he would dismiss them, and in fear and greed, they done the boy-pharaoh in.

But, thanks to Dr. Hawass and the CT scans, it can be settled that Tut was not murdered. Though I DO wonder...if Tut died from illness...why did Horemheb erase any trace of him, Akhenaten and even Ay? Even Tut's name, as well as Akhenaten's, was omitted from the king's list. It's got me scratching at my brain..

By the way, kmt, my graduation is on the 26th of this month--next week, of course--and I have this crazy idea that I might throw a grad party on here in the coffee lounge afterwards!! :lol:

^_^;

Osiris II · **Posted:** Tue May 17, 2005 7:09 pm

Tutness, the scan does not prove that Tutankhamen wasn't murdered. The only thing it proves is that he did not died from a blow to the back of the head. Hawass himself has stated that he firmly believes there was some sort of consipracy, but we will probably never know who planned it, who carried it out, or how it was done.
In so far as the break is concerned, opinion amongst those who examined the mummy-scan was almost divided 50-50. There were those who believed it was an old break that had occured before death--suggesting some sort of accident, planned or not--and those who believed it to be caused by Carter's efforts to get the mummy out of its coffin.
If it was a break that had happened when he was alive it must have been serious enough to break the skin, cause an infection which killed him--just a simple break would not be fatal.
I don't know if toxicological examination can be done--they need tissue from the liver, and that was dried out and mummified. But it is stongly indicated that he was poisoned in some way--perhaps using the excuse of giving him "medicine" for an injury.

the_tutness_is_here · **Posted:** Tue May 17, 2005 7:54 pm

Thanks Osiris, for clearing that up for me! ^_^; You reminded me of Carter's excavation, and how they had to take the mummy apart and put it back together. Which is sad--if they had modern-day technology, they wouldn't have to take Tut apart like a puzzle and then re-assemble him, and maybe Tut's mummy would've been better preserved.

Though, and correct me if I'm wrong, but I've read that Tut's mummy was damp when they found it, and his skin--as we all know--was a dark color when they unwrapped him. So, even during the embalming process, Tut's mummy was ultimately doomed to the state that it has always been. I wish he were better preserved, like Seti I's mummy, or Ramesses II and so forth. (Though those came at later dynasties, but still, they have mummies that were better preserved from earlier dynasties as well. ).

And thanks again, for pointing some things out for me, Osiris.

rich · Joined:Mon May 09, 2005 1:01 pm Posts:71

Manetho List of 18th Dynasty Pharoahs:
http://www.specialtyinterests.net/dyn18_19.html
http://www.specialtyinterests.net/dyn18.html

rich · Joined:Mon May 09, 2005 1:01 pm Posts:71

Dynasty 12 Theory: (1991-1786BC)
http://www.specialtyinterests.net/Traci ... nesis.html

rich · Joined:Mon May 09, 2005 1:01 pm Posts:71

Seti II theory (~1200BC):
http://www.argyrosargyrou.fsnet.co.uk/m ... nology.htm

kmt_sesh · **Posted:** Thu May 19, 2005 7:51 pm